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SAVED! Chickens rescued from factory farm
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Campaign for Fresh Air
2008-03-13 17:34:49 UTC
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SAVED! Chickens rescued from factory farm

Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive ‘broiler’
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production. Sadly,
one of the six has died, but a second is beginning to improve and the
rest are recovering well.


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Sick chickens freed from 'hellhole' shed
Posted 10 March 2008
Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive ‘broiler’
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production.

The national campaign group had made three previous visits to the
30,000-bird capacity unit, which is typical of such establishments
across Britain. The farm held a total of more than 150,000 birds.

The visits were conducted in order to film the alarmingly swift
‘progress’ of the birds from lively chicks to bloated, lethargic and
virtually immobilised inhabitants of a shed that – because of their
rapid growth – now offered them virtually no room in which to move.

On the last visit, the birds were still only 39 days old. Yet, within
three days, they were to be loaded onto lorries and taken to a killing
factory.

Shed records showed that about 1,500 chickens had died or been
‘culled’ within the unit. Despite the victims being removed daily by
workers, numerous dead birds were filmed by the national campaign
group. Some were heaped into bins, others were found on the shed
floor.

Celebrity chefs Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall have
recently drawn welcome attention to the suffering of broiler chickens.
But their ‘solution’ has been to promote so called ‘high welfare’
production systems. These offer the birds a little more space, or make
use of chickens selectively bred to grow more slowly in an attempt to
reduce the burden on their leg joints and lungs. In a recent letter to
Jamie and Hugh, Animal Aid Director Andrew Tyler argued that ‘high
welfare’ systems ‘can only ever have a marginal impact’ and that the
‘fundamental problem is the commodification of these birds… Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as commodities,
which is why we promote the non-animal diet.’

The shocking filmed evidence Animal Aid has gathered on our recent
multiple visits to the broiler farm reveals precisely what happens
when animals are treated as commodities.

Says Animal Aid Head of Campaigns Kate Fowler-Reeves, who led the
undercover team:


‘Witnessing so many animals suffering without any hope of release was
overwhelming. Dead and dying birds littered the sodden floor, while
live ones limped and fell over them. This terrible existence is
endured by hundreds of millions of birds every year in this country
alone. But for five of the six birds we were able to remove, there
remains hope. One girl – who we found huddled and dehydrated beneath a
feed dispenser – sadly did not survive. But another, who was found
sprawled across the shed floor, gasping for breath, has responded well
to treatment and is slowly recovering her strength. The other four had
legs and joints so painfully inflamed that they could not stand or
walk, but over the weekend ventured into the sunlight for the very
first time in their lives. For these birds, it’s a happy ending; but
for the 30,000 who shared a shed with them, there was yet more
suffering to endure. Sick, lame and distressed, these birds – who are
just 42 days old – were sent to slaughter.’

Notes to Editors
Watch a film of the investigation and of the rescued chickens in their
new home.
http://tinyurl.com/2s553c

http://tinyurl.com/3csd8n

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_factory/ALL/1748//

The poultry industry is divided into two main sectors: egg and meat
production. Laying hens are a strain bred specifically for high volume
egg production. ‘Broiler’ chickens have been manipulated, through
selective breeding techniques, to make them grow at around twice their
natural rate. They grow so big and so fast that their legs are unable
to support their weight and they frequently collapse. Broilers are
slaughtered at just six weeks of age – when they are still immature.

Around 855 million chickens are slaughtered annually in the UK for an
industry worth about £2bn a year. Approximately 95 per cent of these
birds are intensively farmed inside huge sheds. By the end of the
growing cycle, each bird has only 0.5 square ft of floor space and
must push his or her way through a solid mass of other chickens to
reach food and water points. Because serious leg problems are endemic,
many die in the attempt.

They are also vulnerable to heart attacks, septicaemia, and to fatty
livers and kidneys. They additionally suffer a high incidence of
deformities, caused by arthritis, together with the stress of carrying
so much weight on young bones. Nearly one-third have difficulty in
walking or cannot walk at all, despite the fact that many of the
weaker birds are ‘culled’ inside the sheds.

Many broiler chickens also die from ascites: their growth rate is so
rapid that their heart, lungs and circulatory system struggle to
maintain sufficient oxygen levels. This results in breathlessness and
distended abdomens caused by a build-up of yellow or bloodstained
fluid. Respiratory or heart failure kills one in 20 birds.
Dogpoop
2008-03-13 18:04:15 UTC
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SAVED!
Hardly.

Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken farms
cease production?
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Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as commodities,
which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives. If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
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2008-03-13 18:13:48 UTC
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SAVED!
Hardly.
Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken farms
cease production?
Don't breed them in the first place.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as commodities,
which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal
Doesn't give us the right to inflict harm and misery on other species.
Post by Dogpoop
and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives.
We don't need meat. Go veggie.
Post by Dogpoop
If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
I have never heard of a chicken eating humans.
Dogpoop
2008-03-14 07:27:22 UTC
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SAVED!
Hardly.
Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken
farms cease production?
Don't breed them in the first place.
What about the already living animals?
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as
commodities, which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal
Doesn't give us the right to inflict harm and misery on other species.
We're keeping them for food, and in 'the real world' we can do what we want.
Do you also campaign to stop cats playing with their catches?
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives.
We don't need meat. Go veggie.
We're omnivopres and need a balanced diet. We can exist without meat, but
quality of life is so much better when we eat meat. Why do you think we
have the teeth structure we have? It's not evolved solely to eat veg,
that's for sure.
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Post by Dogpoop
If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
I have never heard of a chicken eating humans.
That's because they can't, but we can eat chickens.
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Campaign for Fresh Air
2008-03-14 08:57:01 UTC
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SAVED!
Hardly.
Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken
farms cease production?
Don't breed them in the first place.
What about the already living animals?
We'd soon find sanctuary for them to live out their lives.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as
commodities, which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal
Doesn't give us the right to inflict harm and misery on other species.
We're keeping them for food, and in 'the real world' we can do what we want.
That's a bad bad world and nothing to boast about. Sometimes nature
does bite back though as we have seen.
Post by Dogpoop
Do you also campaign to stop cats playing with their catches?
We shouldn't keep cats as pets and they should be locked up like any
other pet if we do.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives.
We don't need meat. Go veggie.
We're omnivopres and need a balanced diet.
We get more than enough of a balanced diet from veggies.
Post by Dogpoop
We can exist without meat, but
quality of life is so much better when we eat meat.
That's quite untrue. Quality of life for what, the animals, ourselves,
the planet? I don't think so. Meat is an addiction to terrible
suffering which we turn a blind eye to, we are conditioned that way by
the peddlers of death and suffering in farming. It's actually harder
to give up meat than it is to give up smoking. Once you do you'll see
we were just kidding ourselves that meat is necessary.
Post by Dogpoop
Why do you think we
have the teeth structure we have? It's not evolved solely to eat veg,
that's for sure.
That's a nonsense statement. Bit like saying we have feet so we can
kick things to death! Anyway our teeth are so we can undo knots and
things in laces.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
I have never heard of a chicken eating humans.
That's because they can't, but we can eat chickens.
We can do lots of bad things but it doesn't mean we should.
Dogpoop
2008-03-14 09:35:10 UTC
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Post by Dogpoop
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SAVED!
Hardly.
Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken
farms cease production?
Don't breed them in the first place.
What about the already living animals?
We'd soon find sanctuary for them to live out their lives.
Yeah, right. 30,000 animals per farm and how many farms?
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as
commodities, which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal
Doesn't give us the right to inflict harm and misery on other species.
We're keeping them for food, and in 'the real world' we can do what we want.
That's a bad bad world and nothing to boast about. Sometimes nature
does bite back though as we have seen.
Whoi's boasting? You need to look a little more introspectively. It seems
it's you lot that's boasting about what you've done, how good you are and
how bad everyone else is. What else is this thread about but your
boastflness and 'look at how good we are' sanctimonious bullshit?.
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Post by Dogpoop
Do you also campaign to stop cats playing with their catches?
We shouldn't keep cats as pets and they should be locked up like any
other pet if we do.
LOL, cop-out. We _do_ keep cats as pets, cats are cruel, do you campaign
against this or not? Evasion of an answer isn't an answer.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives.
We don't need meat. Go veggie.
We're omnivopres and need a balanced diet.
We get more than enough of a balanced diet from veggies.
Only when you add supplements.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
We can exist without meat, but
quality of life is so much better when we eat meat.
That's quite untrue. Quality of life for what, the animals, ourselves,
the planet? I don't think so. Meat is an addiction to terrible
suffering which we turn a blind eye to, we are conditioned that way by
the peddlers of death and suffering in farming. It's actually harder
to give up meat than it is to give up smoking. Once you do you'll see
we were just kidding ourselves that meat is necessary.
Good grief. Sanctimonious bullshit again. What do you think our ancestors
did right from when we emerged from the seas? Did they hunt, kill and eat
flesh? Of course they did, it's not conditioning it's survival and
nutrition.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Why do you think we
have the teeth structure we have? It's not evolved solely to eat
veg, that's for sure.
That's a nonsense statement. Bit like saying we have feet so we can
kick things to death! Anyway our teeth are so we can undo knots and
things in laces.
LOL, you appear to know little of which you speak and preach of.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
I have never heard of a chicken eating humans.
That's because they can't, but we can eat chickens.
We can do lots of bad things but it doesn't mean we should.
Eating chickens isn't bad. Eating meat isn't bad. An excess of eating
_anything_ is not good and a diet consisting solely of vegetables is not
actually that good for you. Where, for instance, do you get protein and
calcium from for childrens growing bones?
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Campaign for Fresh Air
2008-03-14 09:55:16 UTC
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Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
SAVED!
Hardly.
Where do you propose to put all the birds if or when these chicken
farms cease production?
Don't breed them in the first place.
What about the already living animals?
We'd soon find sanctuary for them to live out their lives.
Yeah, right. 30,000 animals per farm and how many farms?
"According to figures from the Department of Food and Rural Affairs
(DEFRA), there are about 10,000 farms in the UK breeding poultry for
commercial purposes."

That's 30k on a plot the size of a large shed! So in land terms it
wont take much.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as
commodities, which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
Animal Aid is therefore wrong. Humans are a superior animal
Doesn't give us the right to inflict harm and misery on other species.
We're keeping them for food, and in 'the real world' we can do what we want.
That's a bad bad world and nothing to boast about. Sometimes nature
does bite back though as we have seen.
Whoi's boasting? You need to look a little more introspectively. It seems
it's you lot that's boasting about what you've done, how good you are and
how bad everyone else is. What else is this thread about but your
boastflness and 'look at how good we are' sanctimonious bullshit?.
Being a caring sharing individual is nothing to boast about, we just
do it. Complaining about braggarts, bullies and animal suffering is
neither sanctimonious nor bullshit.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Do you also campaign to stop cats playing with their catches?
We shouldn't keep cats as pets and they should be locked up like any
other pet if we do.
LOL, cop-out. We _do_ keep cats as pets, cats are cruel, do you campaign
against this or not? Evasion of an answer isn't an answer.
It's a stupid question that has no point and your attempts at leading
me up a dead end are quite sad.

You've been given an answer so take it.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
and we are
simply using other, lesser, animals to sustain our lives.
We don't need meat. Go veggie.
We're omnivopres and need a balanced diet.
We get more than enough of a balanced diet from veggies.
Only when you add supplements.
Really! Who are the biggest consumers of supplements in the world
today? meatarians.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
We can exist without meat, but
quality of life is so much better when we eat meat.
That's quite untrue. Quality of life for what, the animals, ourselves,
the planet? I don't think so. Meat is an addiction to terrible
suffering which we turn a blind eye to, we are conditioned that way by
the peddlers of death and suffering in farming. It's actually harder
to give up meat than it is to give up smoking. Once you do you'll see
we were just kidding ourselves that meat is necessary.
Good grief. Sanctimonious bullshit again. What do you think our ancestors
did right from when we emerged from the seas? Did they hunt, kill and eat
flesh? Of course they did, it's not conditioning it's survival and
nutrition.
Times change. You might sound like it but I doubt even you still walk
round in a loin cloth.
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Why do you think we
have the teeth structure we have? It's not evolved solely to eat
veg, that's for sure.
That's a nonsense statement. Bit like saying we have feet so we can
kick things to death! Anyway our teeth are so we can undo knots and
things in laces.
LOL, you appear to know little of which you speak and preach of.
What do you use for untying knots then?
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
If the boot was
on the other foot do you think the chickens would care about us?
I have never heard of a chicken eating humans.
That's because they can't, but we can eat chickens.
We can do lots of bad things but it doesn't mean we should.
Eating chickens isn't bad. Eating meat isn't bad.
It is if you're the victim. It is for the planet. It is for the
consumer.
Post by Dogpoop
An excess of eating
_anything_ is not good and a diet consisting solely of vegetables is not
actually that good for you.
You seem to have forgotten about fruit!
Post by Dogpoop
Where, for instance, do you get protein and
calcium from for childrens growing bones?
Good questions

Protein
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/protein.html

Calcium
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/calcium.html

We have it all :-)
Dogpoop
2008-03-14 12:01:37 UTC
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"According to figures from the Department of Food and Rural Affairs
(DEFRA), there are about 10,000 farms in the UK breeding poultry for
commercial purposes."
That's 30k on a plot the size of a large shed! So in land terms it
wont take much.
10,000 large sheds takes up not much land space then? 10,000 times 30,000
chickens won't take up much land space then? Where is this 'land space of
which you speak?

Cloud cuckoo land ......
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Being a caring sharing individual is nothing to boast about, we just
do it. Complaining about braggarts, bullies and animal suffering is
neither sanctimonious nor bullshit.
So why boast of 'rescuing' only 6 chickens when you say there are 30,000
chickens in 10,000 sheds? What's the thread about other than your OP boast
of such a pathetic rescue mission.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Really! Who are the biggest consumers of supplements in the world
today? meatarians.
I dispute that. Meat eaters eating a balanced 'normal' diet don't 'need'
supplements. Vegans and vegetarians do need supplements if they want to
stay healthy.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Times change. You might sound like it but I doubt even you still walk
round in a loin cloth.
You'd be surprised then. Not all the time though ......
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
What do you use for untying knots then?
The wife.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
It is if you're the victim. It is for the planet. It is for the
consumer.
How is an animal a 'victim'? To be a victim suggests they have a thinking
capacity of what their existence is, which they don't.
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2008-03-14 12:39:21 UTC
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"According to figures from the Department of Food and Rural Affairs
(DEFRA), there are about 10,000 farms in the UK breeding poultry for
commercial purposes."
That's 30k on a plot the size of a large shed! So in land terms it
wont take much.
10,000 large sheds takes up not much land space then? 10,000 times 30,000
chickens won't take up much land space then? Where is this 'land space of
which you speak?
I have a few acres and could house millions of chickens. Anyone with
an acre can look after many chickens. We have millions of acres in the
UK.
Post by Dogpoop
Cloud cuckoo land ......
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Being a caring sharing individual is nothing to boast about, we just
do it. Complaining about braggarts, bullies and animal suffering is
neither sanctimonious nor bullshit.
So why boast of 'rescuing' only 6 chickens when you say there are 30,000
chickens in 10,000 sheds? What's the thread about other than your OP boast
of such a pathetic rescue mission.
I see so what you mean is we should let farmer Giles earn a living off
the backs of animals and then pay him when he has finished abusing
them? Who's the cuckoo now!
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Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Really! Who are the biggest consumers of supplements in the world
today? meatarians.
I dispute that. Meat eaters eating a balanced 'normal' diet don't 'need'
supplements. Vegans and vegetarians do need supplements if they want to
stay healthy.
Rubbish. By definition we watch our diets more closely and supplements
are no more necessary than for meat eaters.
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Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Times change. You might sound like it but I doubt even you still walk
round in a loin cloth.
You'd be surprised then. Not all the time though ......
Well I doubt you have much to hide anyway.
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Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
What do you use for untying knots then?
The wife.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
It is if you're the victim. It is for the planet. It is for the
consumer.
How is an animal a 'victim'? To be a victim suggests they have a thinking
capacity of what their existence is, which they don't.
What!!! So you think because they have a brain smaller than ours it's
ok to abuse them? I suppose that also runs to the mentally ill, the
village idiot etc?

Get real.
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2008-03-14 14:20:48 UTC
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"According to figures from the Department of Food and Rural Affairs
(DEFRA), there are about 10,000 farms in the UK breeding poultry for
commercial purposes."
That's 30k on a plot the size of a large shed! So in land terms it
wont take much.
10,000 large sheds takes up not much land space then? 10,000 times
30,000 chickens won't take up much land space then? Where is this
'land space of which you speak?
I have a few acres and could house millions of chickens. Anyone with
an acre can look after many chickens. We have millions of acres in the
UK.
Post by Dogpoop
Cloud cuckoo land ......
I see no need to repeat myself.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Post by Dogpoop
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Being a caring sharing individual is nothing to boast about, we just
do it. Complaining about braggarts, bullies and animal suffering is
neither sanctimonious nor bullshit.
So why boast of 'rescuing' only 6 chickens when you say there are
30,000 chickens in 10,000 sheds? What's the thread about other than
your OP boast of such a pathetic rescue mission.
I see so what you mean is we should let farmer Giles earn a living off
the backs of animals and then pay him when he has finished abusing
them? Who's the cuckoo now!
But farmers, in my view, don't abuse chickens. I'll concede they're not
kept in optimum conditions for life, but they are kept in legally sound
conditions for the production of meat. To really address the issue don't
just shout how many you've freed, campaign for the education of people to
stop them wanting to eat chickens kept in such a manner. It's not the
farmers fault, he's just supplying a human need/requirement.

BTW, I'm a farmer, though not of chickens, and understand what's happening.
I just disagree that the means are not humane.
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Really! Who are the biggest consumers of supplements in the world
today? meatarians.
I dispute that. Meat eaters eating a balanced 'normal' diet don't
'need' supplements. Vegans and vegetarians do need supplements if
they want to stay healthy.
Rubbish. By definition we watch our diets more closely and supplements
are no more necessary than for meat eaters.
I take, and have never taken or had to take, any supplements at all, but
then, I eat a balanced diet.
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Post by Dogpoop
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Times change. You might sound like it but I doubt even you still
walk round in a loin cloth.
You'd be surprised then. Not all the time though ......
Well I doubt you have much to hide anyway.
Heheheh, finally you're right.
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Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
It is if you're the victim. It is for the planet. It is for the
consumer.
How is an animal a 'victim'? To be a victim suggests they have a
thinking capacity of what their existence is, which they don't.
What!!! So you think because they have a brain smaller than ours it's
ok to abuse them? I suppose that also runs to the mentally ill, the
village idiot etc?
Only you suggested that.

I don't see chickens as being abused.
Post by Campaign for Fresh Air
Get real.
LOL, in view of your reality check maybe it's you who needs to stop living
in cloud cuckoo land.

"SAVED! Chickens rescued ..." SIX !!!! LMFAO Real ARA you are, NOT!
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2008-03-14 15:39:22 UTC
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I take, and have never taken or had to take, any supplements at all,
'Mineral content: This may be the most important nutritional difference
between organic and regular produce since heavy use of fertilizer inhibits
absorption of some minerals, which are likely to be at lower levels to
begin with in soils that have been abused. This may be caused in part
by the lack of beneficial mycorrhizae fungi on the roots since high levels
of fertilizer tend to kill them. Standard diets tend to be low in various
minerals, resulting in a variety of problems including osteoporosis.
..'
http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Foods/organic.html

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deficiency should be."

Deficiency can cause a type of anemia marked by fewer but larger red
blood cells. It can also cause walking and balance disturbances, a loss
of vibration sensation, confusion, and, in advanced cases, dementia.
The body requires B12 to make the protective coating surrounding the
nerves. So inadequate B12 can expose nerves to damage.

Tucker and colleagues wanted to get a sense of B12 levels spanning
the adult population because most previous studies have focused on the
elderly. That age group was thought to be at higher risk for deficiency.
The researchers also expected to find some connection between dietary
intake and plasma levels, even though other studies found no association.
Some of the results were surprising. The youngest group-the 26 to 49
year olds-had about the same B12 status as the oldest group-65 and up.
"We thought that low concentrations of B12 would increase with age,"
says Tucker. "But we saw a high prevalence of low B12 even among
the youngest group."

The good news is that for many people, eating more fortified cereals
and dairy products can improve B12 status almost as much as taking
supplements containing the vitamin. Supplement use dropped the
percentage of volunteers in the danger zone (plasma B12 below 185
pmol/L) from 20 percent to 8. Eating fortified cereals five or more
times a week or being among the highest third for dairy intake reduced,
by nearly half, the percentage of volunteers in that zone-from 23 and
24 percent, respectively, to 12 and 13 percent.

The researchers found no association between plasma B12 and meat,
poultry, and fish intake, even though these foods supply the bulk of B12
in the diet. "It's not because people aren't eating enough meat," Tucker
says. "The vitamin isn't getting absorbed." The vitamin is tightly bound
to proteins in meat and dairy products and requires high acidity to cut
it loose. As we age, we lose the acid-secreting cells in the stomach. But
what causes poor absorption in younger adults? Tucker speculates that
the high use of antacids may contribute. But why absorption from dairy
products appears to be better than from meats is a question that needs
more research. Fortified cereals are a different story. She says the
vitamin is sprayed on during processing and is "more like what we get
in supplements."

By Judy McBride, Agricultural Research Service Information Staff.
This research is part of Human Nutrition, an ARS National Program
(#107) described on the World Wide Web. Katherine L. Tucker is
at the Jean Mayer USDA-ARS Human Nutrition Research Center on
Aging at Tufts University, 711 Washington St., Boston, MA 02111;
..
"Are You Vitamin B12 Deficient?" was published in the August 2000
issue of Agricultural Research magazine.

http://www.epic4health.com/areyouvitb12.html
Post by Dogpoop
but then, I eat a balanced diet.
'Analyses of data from the China studies by his collaborators and
others, Campbell told the epidemiology symposium, is leading to
policy recommendations. He mentioned three:

* The greater the variety of plant-based foods in the diet, the greater
the benefit. Variety insures broader coverage of known and unknown
nutrient needs.

* Provided there is plant food variety, quality and quantity, a healthful
and nutritionally complete diet can be attained without animal-based
food.

* The closer the food is to its native state - with minimal heating,
salting and processing - the greater will be the benefit.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/01/6.28.01/China_Study_II.html

'Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate
for all stages of the lifecycle, including during pregnancy, lactation,
infancy, childhood and adolescence. Appropriately planned vegetarian
diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in
the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.' These 'certain
diseases' are the killer epidemics of today - heart disease, strokes,
cancers, diabetes etc.

This is the view of the world's most prestigious health advisory body,
the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada, after a
review of world literature.
...'
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/mediareleases/050221.html
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"According to figures from the Department of Food and Rural Affairs
(DEFRA), there are about 10,000 farms in the UK breeding poultry for
commercial purposes."
That's 30k on a plot the size of a large shed! So in land terms it
wont take much.
10,000 large sheds takes up not much land space then? 10,000 times
30,000 chickens won't take up much land space then? Where is this
'land space of which you speak?
I have a few acres and could house millions of chickens. Anyone with
an acre can look after many chickens. We have millions of acres in the
UK.
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Cloud cuckoo land ......
I see no need to repeat myself.
That's a relief.
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Being a caring sharing individual is nothing to boast about, we just
do it. Complaining about braggarts, bullies and animal suffering is
neither sanctimonious nor bullshit.
So why boast of 'rescuing' only 6 chickens when you say there are
30,000 chickens in 10,000 sheds? What's the thread about other than
your OP boast of such a pathetic rescue mission.
I see so what you mean is we should let farmer Giles earn a living off
the backs of animals and then pay him when he has finished abusing
them? Who's the cuckoo now!
But farmers, in my view, don't abuse chickens. I'll concede they're not
kept in optimum conditions for life, but they are kept in legally sound
conditions for the production of meat.
It's abuse: to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way. We use
to treat each other in the same manner, still do in some places, but
thankfully we saw the light.
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To really address the issue don't
just shout how many you've freed, campaign for the education of people to
stop them wanting to eat chickens kept in such a manner.
That's all part of the campaign.
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It's not the
farmers fault,
It's his fault completely. No one forces him to treat animals badly or
earn a living from their misery and suffering. In fact he could just
do a proper job like the rest of us.
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he's just supplying a human need/requirement.
So that makes it ok does it! Like child slavery, forced prostitution
etc that's all ok is it if it's a human need?

Rubbish. We no more need to eat meat then we need to eat virgins.
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BTW, I'm a farmer, though not of chickens, and understand what's happening.
Then you must understand the insanity of it all.
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I just disagree that the means are not humane.
Ask yourself if you'd like to be treated in that manner?
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Really! Who are the biggest consumers of supplements in the world
today? meatarians.
I dispute that. Meat eaters eating a balanced 'normal' diet don't
'need' supplements. Vegans and vegetarians do need supplements if
they want to stay healthy.
Rubbish. By definition we watch our diets more closely and supplements
are no more necessary than for meat eaters.
I take, and have never taken or had to take, any supplements at all, but
then, I eat a balanced diet.
So you think. Eating a good balanced diet is the least we can do for
ourselves, but please don't presume "I'm all right Jack". You still
need regular check ups.
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Times change. You might sound like it but I doubt even you still
walk round in a loin cloth.
You'd be surprised then. Not all the time though ......
Well I doubt you have much to hide anyway.
Heheheh, finally you're right.
Just a hunch ;-)
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It is if you're the victim. It is for the planet. It is for the
consumer.
How is an animal a 'victim'? To be a victim suggests they have a
thinking capacity of what their existence is, which they don't.
What!!! So you think because they have a brain smaller than ours it's
ok to abuse them? I suppose that also runs to the mentally ill, the
village idiot etc?
Only you suggested that.
I don't see chickens as being abused.
to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way is abuse.
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Get real.
LOL, in view of your reality check maybe it's you who needs to stop living
in cloud cuckoo land.
"SAVED! Chickens rescued ..." SIX !!!! LMFAO Real ARA you are, NOT!
It's but one part of a great big picture. One day you might be just as
grateful that you were chosen to be saved!
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It's but one part of a great big picture. One day you might be just as
grateful that you were chosen to be saved!
TBH I don't have time for this, we have opposing views, I wish you well in
your campaign.

I will, of course, continue on my way. :)
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It's but one part of a great big picture. One day you might be just as
grateful that you were chosen to be saved!
TBH I don't have time for this, we have opposing views, I wish you well in
your campaign.
Then that just means nothing will change. Your ignorance will grow and
the animals continue to suffer.
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I will, of course, continue on my way. :)
That's a shame. As my old friend Sharon Schuster once said:
When we have the courage to speak out – to break our silence – we
inspire the rest of the "moderates" in our communities to speak up and
voice their views.
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It's but one part of a great big picture. One day you might be just
as grateful that you were chosen to be saved!
TBH I don't have time for this, we have opposing views, I wish you
well in your campaign.
Then that just means nothing will change. Your ignorance will grow and
the animals continue to suffer.
.. and that's the basic difference. I don't think they suffer. I agree
conditions aren't best for a good lifestyle, but are adequate to produce
meat at the right cost which is, I reckon, the real problem.
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I will, of course, continue on my way. :)
When we have the courage to speak out - to break our silence - we
inspire the rest of the "moderates" in our communities to speak up and
voice their views.
I have little I feel the need to speak up about.
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We don't need meat. Go veggie.
We're omnivopres (etc.)
'Male strategies and Plio-Pleistocene archaeology
Authors: O'Connell J.F.1; Hawkes K.2; Lupo K.D.3; Blurton Jones
N.G.4 Source: Journal of Human Evolution, Volume 43, Number 6,
December 2002 , pp. 831-872(42) Publisher: Academic Press

Abstract:
Archaeological data are frequently cited in support of the idea that
big game hunting drove the evolution of early Homo, mainly through
its role in offspring provisioning. This argument has been disputed
on two grounds: (1) ethnographic observations on modern foragers
show that although hunting may contribute a large fraction of the
overall diet, it is an unreliable day-to-day food source, pursued more
for status than subsistence; (2) archaeological evidence from the
Plio-Pleistocene, coincident with the emergence of Homo can be
read to reflect low-yield scavenging, *not* hunting. Our review of
the archaeology yields results consistent with these critiques:
(1) early humans acquired large-bodied ungulates primarily by
aggressive scavenging, not hunting; (2) meat was consumed at or
near the point of acquisition, not at home bases, as the hunting
hypothesis requires; (3) carcasses were taken at highly variable
rates and in varying degrees of completeness, making meat from
big game an even less reliable food source than it is among modern
foragers.Collectively, Plio-Pleistocene site location and assemblage
composition are consistent with the hypothesis that large carcasses
were taken *not* for purposes of provisioning, but in the context
of competitive male displays. Even if meat were acquired more
reliably than the archaeology indicates, its consumption cannot
account for the significant changes in life history now seen to
distinguish early humans from ancestral australopiths. The
coincidence between the earliest dates for Homo ergaster and an
increase in the archaeological visibility of meat eating that many
find so provocative instead reflects: (1) changes in the structure
of the environment that concentrated scavenging opportunities in
space, making evidence of their pursuit more obvious to
archaeologists; (2) H. ergaster's larger body size (itself a
consequence of other factors), which improved its ability at
interference competition.

Document Type: Research article
DOI: 10.1006/jhev.2002.0604
Affiliations: 1: Department of Anthropology, University of Utah,
270 South 1400 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84112, U.S.A.
2: Department of Anthropology, University of Utah, 270 South
1400 East, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84112, U.S.A.
3: Department of Anthropology, Washington State University,
Pullman, Washington, 99164, U.S.A. 4: Departments of
Anthropology and Psychiatry, and Graduate School of Education,
University of California, Los Angeles, California, 90095, U.S.A.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ap/hu/2002/00000043/00000006/art00604

'Gut Morphology and the Avoidance of Carrion among
Chimpanzees, Baboons, and Early Hominids
Sonia Ragir, Martin Rosenberg, Philip Tierno
Journal of Anthropological Research, Vol. 56, No. 4
(Winter, 2000), pp. 477-512

Abstract

Meat-eating primates avoid scavenging for dietary protein and
micronutrients even when carrion is relatively fresh. Chimpanzees,
baboons, and modern hunter-gatherers supplement their diets of
high-energy, low-protein fruit with protein obtained from leaves,
insects, and animal prey. Most primates, especially leaf-eating
primates, digest the cellulose cell walls of ingested plant material in
a well developed caecum and/or large intestine through fermentation
caused by enzymes released by their normal gut flora. The primate
digestive strategy combines a rapid passage through the stomach
and prolonged digestion in the ileum of the small intestine and
caecum, and this combination increases the likelihood of
colonization of the small intestine by ingested bacteria that are the
cause of gastrointestinal disease. Carrion is very quickly
contaminated with a high bacterial load because the process of
dismemberment of a carcass exposes the meat to the bacteria from
the saliva of the predator, from the digestive tracts of insects, and
from the carcasses' own gut. Thus, the opportunistic eating of
uncooked carrion or even unusually large quantities of fresh-killed
meat by nonhuman primates or humans is likely to result in
gastrointestinal illness. We propose that among meat-eating
primates, carrion avoidance is a dietary strategy that develops
during their lifetime as a response to the association of
gastrointestinal illness with the ingestion of contaminated meat
from scavenged carcasses. This has important implications for
our understanding of early hominid behavior.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0091-7710(200024)56%3A4%3C477%3AGMATAO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-M

'Theories of Human Evolutionary Trends in Meat Eating
and Studies of Primate Intestinal Tracts
Patrick Pasquet
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique,
FranceClaude-Marcel Hladik
Museum d'Histoire Naturelle, France

ABSTRACT

Theories of hominid evolution have postulated that switching to
meat eating permitted an increase in brain size and hence the
emergence of modern man. However, comparative studies of
primate intestinal tracts do not support this hypothesis and it is
likely that, while meat assumed a more important role in hominid
diet, it was not responsible for any major evolutionary shift.
....
Thus, in humans, a clear-cut adaptation to meat eating would
imply that the gut allometric relationship coincides with that of
the "faunivores", with the lowest absorptive area. This is not
supported by the measurements of human gut size that are
plotted in Fig 1, all these measurements being grouped on the
best fit line of the frugivores (Hladik et al., 1999). ..
...
DISCUSSION: DIET AND HOMINIZATION

Most forest primates have a frugivorous diet, with a supplement
of protein provided either by young vegetable shoots and leaves,
or by animal matter (mostly invertebrates). This is a most flexible
dietary adaptation that allows them to switch between the various
categories of food items available in different habitats throughout
the seasons of the year (Hladik, 1988). The ambiguous term
omnivore is used either to describe such flexibility or to emphasize
a supplement of meat included from time to time in a mainly
frugivorous diet. However, it is noticeable that the largest primate
species, especially anthropoids, consume mainly vegetable matter
to provide their protein requirements. Chimpanzees, that occasionally
eat the meat of small mammals, do not receive all their protein
requirements from this source, which is anyway rarely available to
females and never exploited by the youngest animals (Hladik, 1981).

Considering the unspecialised frugivorous-type human gut anatomy,
the dietary history of the genus Homo is likely to display a wide
range of variation. During various historical periods, depending on
availability and the nutrient content of food resources, our human
ancestors would mostly have consumed either vegetable or animal
matter (Isaac et al., 1981; Gordon,1987; Couplan, 1997).
...
Meat was consumed, but it is unlikely that animal flesh (especially
lean meat) was a staple for long periods. As highlighted by Speth
(1989, 1991), fat and fatty meat provide energy for meat eaters,
and lean meat can rapidly become unhealthy if used as an only
food. During "lean periods", meat must be complemented with
vegetable matter as an energy source, especially to provide the
necessary energy for reproduction.

The high quality foods needed to provide enough energy for
the incipient hominids could have been drawn from alternative
sources rather than the fat meat of large game. Wrangham et al.
(1999) have provided a new and very exciting hypothesis on the
possible process of hominization, made possible by the early
use of fire for cooking. As far back as 1.9 My (Plio-Pleistocene),
the first Homo Erectus tended towards a large body (and brain
size), for both sexes, with a reduction of teeth. This was possible
by (and likely to be selected for) a shift to a high caloric diet that
did not require much mastication. Either a cooked fatty meat or
a cooked wild tuber may have provided this type of diet.
Cooking in embers considerably improves the taste and texture
of both kinds of food and may explain why it could have been
rapidly adopted by hominids able to master the technique of fire
(with brain increase obviously related to technical skills). However,
the best efficiency for obtaining calories would be with cooked
starchy tubers (50% more energy from starch after cooking).
Furthermore, most wild yam species are non-toxic and available
in large quantities throughout African forests and savannas (A.
Hladik and Dounias, 1993). Although clearly identified long-lasting
hearth locations have never been found by archaeologists before
the mid-Pleistocene, the evidence of early utilisation of fire based
on charcoal residue fragments mentioned by Wrangham et al.
would be quite a convincing argument for anyone who has recently
visited an abandoned Pygmy forest settlement, and searched for
tiny pieces of charcoal. After a few months, no obvious trace of a
hearth is visible, although meat and tubers,wrapped in large leaves,
have been cooked in the embers by the Pygmies.

Consequently, meat eating certainly played an essential part in
hominid history, but the hominid flexible gut anatomy permitted
adaptation to various diets. Taking into account the allometric
factors in the comparative study of primate gut anatomy, there is
no evidence to support theories such as a change in gut anatomy
that allowed carnivorousness and a simultaneous increase in brain
size. Alternatively, the early cooking of gathered foods - and the
nutritional, behavioural and social consequences of this pattern -
could have been a major milestone in the hominization process.

http://www.publicaciones.cucsh.udg.mx/pperiod/esthom/esthompdf/esthom19/21-31.pdf
We can exist without meat, but
quality of life is so much better when we eat meat.
'There appears to be no threshold of plant-food enrichment or
minimization of fat intake beyond which further disease prevention
does not occur. These findings suggest that even small intakes of
foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in
plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn,
with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality
rates. - Campbell TC, Junshi C. Diet and chronic degenerative
diseases: perspectives from China. Am J Clin Nutr 1994 May;59
(5 Suppl):1153S-1161S.'
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A whole load of cut 'n paste that ICBA to read fully ..........

See, whatever the physiological reasoning, we can, do and have always eaten
meat. Whatever chimps do we aren't the same, we don't eat the same leaves
or amount of greenery they do and besides, and here's the killer, I like
meat. :)
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2008-03-14 12:33:51 UTC
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A whole load of cut 'n paste that ICBA to read fully .......
Then you wont learn and it explains your ignorance. Which is a shame
really as we've been given a brain to use!
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See, whatever the physiological reasoning, we can, do and have always eaten
meat. Whatever chimps do we aren't the same, we don't eat the same leaves
or amount of greenery they do and besides, and here's the killer, I like
meat. :)
You may well do and I'm sure we all did until we realized the cruelty
and suffering involved in the industry. Now we don't eat meat and
you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference these days.
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A whole load of cut 'n paste that ICBA to read fully ..........
Try this:

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SAVED! Chickens rescued from factory farm
Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive 'broiler'
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production. Sadly,
one of the six has died, but a second is beginning to improve and the
rest are recovering well.
http://tinyurl.com/36hr5t
Sick chickens freed from 'hellhole' shed
Posted 10 March 2008
Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive 'broiler'
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production.
The national campaign group had made three previous visits to the
30,000-bird capacity unit, which is typical of such establishments
across Britain. The farm held a total of more than 150,000 birds.
The visits were conducted in order to film the alarmingly swift
'progress' of the birds from lively chicks to bloated, lethargic and
virtually immobilised inhabitants of a shed that - because of their
rapid growth - now offered them virtually no room in which to move.
On the last visit, the birds were still only 39 days old. Yet, within
three days, they were to be loaded onto lorries and taken to a killing
factory.
Shed records showed that about 1,500 chickens had died or been
'culled' within the unit. Despite the victims being removed daily by
workers, numerous dead birds were filmed by the national campaign
group. Some were heaped into bins, others were found on the shed
floor.
Celebrity chefs Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall have
recently drawn welcome attention to the suffering of broiler chickens.
But their 'solution' has been to promote so called 'high welfare'
production systems. These offer the birds a little more space, or make
use of chickens selectively bred to grow more slowly in an attempt to
reduce the burden on their leg joints and lungs. In a recent letter to
Jamie and Hugh, Animal Aid Director Andrew Tyler argued that 'high
welfare' systems 'can only ever have a marginal impact' and that the
'fundamental problem is the commodification of these birds. Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as commodities,
which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
The shocking filmed evidence Animal Aid has gathered on our recent
multiple visits to the broiler farm reveals precisely what happens
when animals are treated as commodities.
Says Animal Aid Head of Campaigns Kate Fowler-Reeves, who led the
'Witnessing so many animals suffering without any hope of release was
overwhelming. Dead and dying birds littered the sodden floor, while
live ones limped and fell over them. This terrible existence is
endured by hundreds of millions of birds every year in this country
alone. But for five of the six birds we were able to remove, there
remains hope. One girl - who we found huddled and dehydrated beneath a
feed dispenser - sadly did not survive. But another, who was found
sprawled across the shed floor, gasping for breath, has responded well
to treatment and is slowly recovering her strength. The other four had
legs and joints so painfully inflamed that they could not stand or
walk, but over the weekend ventured into the sunlight for the very
first time in their lives. For these birds, it's a happy ending; but
for the 30,000 who shared a shed with them, there was yet more
suffering to endure. Sick, lame and distressed, these birds - who are
just 42 days old - were sent to slaughter.'
Notes to Editors
Watch a film of the investigation and of the rescued chickens in their
new home.
http://tinyurl.com/2s553c
http://tinyurl.com/3csd8n
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_factory/ALL/1748//
The poultry industry is divided into two main sectors: egg and meat
production. Laying hens are a strain bred specifically for high volume
egg production. 'Broiler' chickens have been manipulated, through
selective breeding techniques, to make them grow at around twice their
natural rate. They grow so big and so fast that their legs are unable
to support their weight and they frequently collapse. Broilers are
slaughtered at just six weeks of age - when they are still immature.
Around 855 million chickens are slaughtered annually in the UK for an
industry worth about £2bn a year. Approximately 95 per cent of these
birds are intensively farmed inside huge sheds. By the end of the
growing cycle, each bird has only 0.5 square ft of floor space and
must push his or her way through a solid mass of other chickens to
reach food and water points. Because serious leg problems are endemic,
many die in the attempt.
They are also vulnerable to heart attacks, septicaemia, and to fatty
livers and kidneys. They additionally suffer a high incidence of
deformities, caused by arthritis, together with the stress of carrying
so much weight on young bones. Nearly one-third have difficulty in
walking or cannot walk at all, despite the fact that many of the
weaker birds are 'culled' inside the sheds.
Many broiler chickens also die from ascites: their growth rate is so
rapid that their heart, lungs and circulatory system struggle to
maintain sufficient oxygen levels. This results in breathlessness and
distended abdomens caused by a build-up of yellow or bloodstained
fluid. Respiratory or heart failure kills one in 20 birds.
Please do not post to inapropriate newsgroups.

What the fuck has this to do with vegetarians?


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SAVED! Chickens rescued from factory farm
Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive 'broiler'
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production. Sadly,
one of the six has died, but a second is beginning to improve and the
rest are recovering well.
http://tinyurl.com/36hr5t
Sick chickens freed from 'hellhole' shed
Posted 10 March 2008
Six sick and ailing chickens were rescued from an intensive 'broiler'
shed and taken to a vet last week during the course of an Animal Aid
undercover investigation into modern broiler bird production.
The national campaign group had made three previous visits to the
30,000-bird capacity unit, which is typical of such establishments
across Britain. The farm held a total of more than 150,000 birds.
The visits were conducted in order to film the alarmingly swift
'progress' of the birds from lively chicks to bloated, lethargic and
virtually immobilised inhabitants of a shed that - because of their
rapid growth - now offered them virtually no room in which to move.
On the last visit, the birds were still only 39 days old. Yet, within
three days, they were to be loaded onto lorries and taken to a killing
factory.
Shed records showed that about 1,500 chickens had died or been
'culled' within the unit. Despite the victims being removed daily by
workers, numerous dead birds were filmed by the national campaign
group. Some were heaped into bins, others were found on the shed
floor.
Celebrity chefs Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall have
recently drawn welcome attention to the suffering of broiler chickens.
But their 'solution' has been to promote so called 'high welfare'
production systems. These offer the birds a little more space, or make
use of chickens selectively bred to grow more slowly in an attempt to
reduce the burden on their leg joints and lungs. In a recent letter to
Jamie and Hugh, Animal Aid Director Andrew Tyler argued that 'high
welfare' systems 'can only ever have a marginal impact' and that the
'fundamental problem is the commodification of these birds. Animal Aid
believes that it is cruel and immoral to treat animals as commodities,
which is why we promote the non-animal diet.'
The shocking filmed evidence Animal Aid has gathered on our recent
multiple visits to the broiler farm reveals precisely what happens
when animals are treated as commodities.
Says Animal Aid Head of Campaigns Kate Fowler-Reeves, who led the
'Witnessing so many animals suffering without any hope of release was
overwhelming. Dead and dying birds littered the sodden floor, while
live ones limped and fell over them. This terrible existence is
endured by hundreds of millions of birds every year in this country
alone. But for five of the six birds we were able to remove, there
remains hope. One girl - who we found huddled and dehydrated beneath a
feed dispenser - sadly did not survive. But another, who was found
sprawled across the shed floor, gasping for breath, has responded well
to treatment and is slowly recovering her strength. The other four had
legs and joints so painfully inflamed that they could not stand or
walk, but over the weekend ventured into the sunlight for the very
first time in their lives. For these birds, it's a happy ending; but
for the 30,000 who shared a shed with them, there was yet more
suffering to endure. Sick, lame and distressed, these birds - who are
just 42 days old - were sent to slaughter.'
Notes to Editors
Watch a film of the investigation and of the rescued chickens in their
new home.
http://tinyurl.com/2s553c
http://tinyurl.com/3csd8n
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_factory/ALL/1748//
The poultry industry is divided into two main sectors: egg and meat
production. Laying hens are a strain bred specifically for high volume
egg production. 'Broiler' chickens have been manipulated, through
selective breeding techniques, to make them grow at around twice their
natural rate. They grow so big and so fast that their legs are unable
to support their weight and they frequently collapse. Broilers are
slaughtered at just six weeks of age - when they are still immature.
Around 855 million chickens are slaughtered annually in the UK for an
industry worth about £2bn a year. Approximately 95 per cent of these
birds are intensively farmed inside huge sheds. By the end of the
growing cycle, each bird has only 0.5 square ft of floor space and
must push his or her way through a solid mass of other chickens to
reach food and water points. Because serious leg problems are endemic,
many die in the attempt.
They are also vulnerable to heart attacks, septicaemia, and to fatty
livers and kidneys. They additionally suffer a high incidence of
deformities, caused by arthritis, together with the stress of carrying
so much weight on young bones. Nearly one-third have difficulty in
walking or cannot walk at all, despite the fact that many of the
weaker birds are 'culled' inside the sheds.
Many broiler chickens also die from ascites: their growth rate is so
rapid that their heart, lungs and circulatory system struggle to
maintain sufficient oxygen levels. This results in breathlessness and
distended abdomens caused by a build-up of yellow or bloodstained
fluid. Respiratory or heart failure kills one in 20 birds.
Please do not post to inapropriate newsgroups.
What the fuck has this to do with vegetarians?
Go away Todger and take your sock puppets with you.

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