A bit more advice on pike lure please

[Gandalf]

Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have come to the
conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out there.

Gone are the days when I single jointed plug was as complicated as they got
and we have some real wire contraptions that I had only seen used by big
guys in ten gallon hats chewing gum so please tell me what works and what is
out there to catch the angler. The young man offered me one that I would not
even use off of Key West let alone a British lake, it was that big

The only new type I saw that made sense was the soft plastic type and I
bough a chubby shad ( I did mishear him and thought he was offering a fat
prostitute at first ). It looks like a little pike in the main so as my one
and only plug is like a pike and has caught I thought it a good idea. I also
bought an Ondex spinner, a normal looking spinner that is the same as the
one I caught my very first pike on all those years ago, which I have
confidence in.

So what is the best types of lures for an old fashioned simpleton like me
who wants some moderate fun without being stupid.

[paul]

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".

Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the oldies are
most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it catches more than the
lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have come to
the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out there.
Gone are the days when I single jointed plug was as complicated as they
got and we have some real wire contraptions that I had only seen used by
big guys in ten gallon hats chewing gum so please tell me what works and
what is out there to catch the angler. The young man offered me one that I
would not even use off of Key West let alone a British lake, it was that
big
The only new type I saw that made sense was the soft plastic type and I
bough a chubby shad ( I did mishear him and thought he was offering a fat
prostitute at first ). It looks like a little pike in the main so as my
one and only plug is like a pike and has caught I thought it a good idea.
I also bought an Ondex spinner, a normal looking spinner that is the same
as the one I caught my very first pike on all those years ago, which I
have confidence in.
So what is the best types of lures for an old fashioned simpleton like me
who wants some moderate fun without being stupid.
--
Gandalf

[Gandalf]

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all night
and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near 40 years ago
though.<VBG>

Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.
--
Gandalf

Post by paul
In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the oldies are
most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it catches more than
the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have come to
the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out there.
Gone are the days when I single jointed plug was as complicated as they
got and we have some real wire contraptions that I had only seen used by
big guys in ten gallon hats chewing gum so please tell me what works and
what is out there to catch the angler. The young man offered me one that
I would not even use off of Key West let alone a British lake, it was
that big
The only new type I saw that made sense was the soft plastic type and I
bough a chubby shad ( I did mishear him and thought he was offering a fat
prostitute at first ). It looks like a little pike in the main so as my
one and only plug is like a pike and has caught I thought it a good idea.
I also bought an Ondex spinner, a normal looking spinner that is the same
as the one I caught my very first pike on all those years ago, which I
have confidence in.
So what is the best types of lures for an old fashioned simpleton like me
who wants some moderate fun without being stupid.
--
Gandalf

[Brownz (Mobile)]

Post by Gandalf

Post by paul

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have
come to the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out
there.

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the
oldies are most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it
catches more than the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all
night and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near
40 years ago though.<VBG>
Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.

The ondex are still top here for jacks & perch.

For larger pike I have a rough piece of balsa, painted flouro yellow which
never fails.

I've also been successful with wasp spinners as I call them - see half way
down the following page :

http://www.sovereignsuperbaits.co.uk/Lures/Hard_Baits/Spinners_Spoons_/Spinner_Baits/spinner_baits.html

[The Midnight Rider]

After looking at the sudgested page i find myself wondering about the
effectiveness of the wasp spinners on sea bass? looks promising for next
years trips, guess i may try a couple. tnx Brownz m8

Post by Brownz (Mobile)

Post by Gandalf

Post by paul

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have
come to the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out
there.

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the
oldies are most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it
catches more than the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all
night and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near
40 years ago though.<VBG>
Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.

The ondex are still top here for jacks & perch.
For larger pike I have a rough piece of balsa, painted flouro yellow which
never fails.
I've also been successful with wasp spinners as I call them - see half way
http://www.sovereignsuperbaits.co.uk/Lures/Hard_Baits/Spinners_Spoons_/Spinner_Baits/spinner_baits.html
--
Cheerz - Brownz
Beta TR34 (Ring ding ding ding pop pop)
http://www.brownz.org/

[Gandalf]

Many thanks for that Brownz.

These do work or they would not still be on the market but how do they work.
To daft old me they seem alien but I can see how they would look like a
small shoal of fish maybe so the pike will just lung forward and hit it all,
including the hook.

Is that the idea behind it.
--
Gandalf

Post by Brownz (Mobile)

Post by Gandalf

Post by paul

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have
come to the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out
there.

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the
oldies are most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it
catches more than the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all
night and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near
40 years ago though.<VBG>
Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.

The ondex are still top here for jacks & perch.
For larger pike I have a rough piece of balsa, painted flouro yellow which
never fails.
I've also been successful with wasp spinners as I call them - see half way
http://www.sovereignsuperbaits.co.uk/Lures/Hard_Baits/Spinners_Spoons_/Spinner_Baits/spinner_baits.html
--
Cheerz - Brownz
Beta TR34 (Ring ding ding ding pop pop)
http://www.brownz.org/

[Derek Moody]

Post by Gandalf
Many thanks for that Brownz.
These do work or they would not still be on the market but how do they work.
To daft old me they seem alien but I can see how they would look like a
small shoal of fish maybe so the pike will just lung forward and hit it all,
including the hook.
Is that the idea behind it.

I presume the combination sweeps out a larger area and so makes a bigger
target - looks looks a large meal. Spoons and spinners all sweep out a
space that makes them seem larger that they are - which is why plugs, which
don't, can seem (to us) to be so big - in fact the biggest plugs in the shop
are rarely larger than a 6 oz fish and so are really too small to interest
the larger fish unless worked right in front of their noses.

Big plug making can be a productive hobby - crude whittling and smoothing
skills are about all you need. Balsa is too bouyant for big plugs so a bit
of scrap timber is your starting point; it's more tooth resistant too.

The favourite diet of large pike is smaller pike. Is your lure rod strong
enough to cast an imitation of a 5lb jack?

The big disadvantages with the coathanger type lures are that they're awful
to cast and a real liability in bushed-up waters. They seem to deal OK with
watery snags but the slightest touch on an overhanging branch and they
lovingly wrap themselves into an immovable embrace :-( Very much an open
waters and boatfishing option.

Cheerio,

[Alec Powell]

Post by Derek Moody
Big plug making can be a productive hobby - crude whittling and
smoothing skills are about all you need. Balsa is too bouyant for big
plugs so a bit of scrap timber is your starting point; it's more tooth
resistant too.

Good advice Derek.
I learnt my plug/spinner making skills from the following:

The Art of Lure Fishing by Charlie Bethell
The Crowood Press Ltd.
Ramsbury,
Marlborough,
Wiltshire.
SN8 2HR
ISBN 1 85223 797 X

HTH,
Alec

[The Midnight Rider]

Post by Derek Moody
The big disadvantages with the coathanger type lures are that they're awful
to cast and a real liability in bushed-up waters. They seem to deal OK with
watery snags but the slightest touch on an overhanging branch and they
lovingly wrap themselves into an immovable embrace :-( Very much an open
waters and boatfishing option.<<

Seems like the sea bass may be the safest place to try them first anyway
haha
dropped into the middle of the shoal should be fun

[Brownz (Mobile)]

Post by The Midnight Rider

Post by Derek Moody
The big disadvantages with the coathanger type lures are that they're awful
to cast and a real liability in bushed-up waters. They seem to deal OK with
watery snags but the slightest touch on an overhanging branch and
they lovingly wrap themselves into an immovable embrace :-( Very
much an open waters and boatfishing option.<<

Seems like the sea bass may be the safest place to try them first
anyway haha
dropped into the middle of the shoal should be fun

I think they originated as "Merecan" Bass Lures.

I first saw them on a trip to the states about 10yrs ago & bought some back
to try out on the local esox.

I've never looked back as they say.

PS - I normally agree with most of Derek's observations, but I have to
disagree with the comments above.
I've fished all sorts of lures, spinners, spoons, plugs, deadbaits etc and
have found these some of the easiest lures to handle.
No offence Sir Derek of Casterbridge ;-)

[Derek Moody]

Post by Brownz (Mobile)

Post by Derek Moody
The big disadvantages with the coathanger type lures are that they're awful
to cast and a real liability in bushed-up waters. They seem to deal OK with
watery snags but the slightest touch on an overhanging branch and
they lovingly wrap themselves into an immovable embrace :-( Very
much an open waters and boatfishing option.<<

PS - I normally agree with most of Derek's observations, but I have to
disagree with the comments above.

Fair enough - each to his own.

Post by Brownz (Mobile)
I've fished all sorts of lures, spinners, spoons, plugs, deadbaits etc and
have found these some of the easiest lures to handle.

Oh, they're fine -in- the water. I tried them where you're leaning around
trees and flicking under bushes, between reed clumps and so on and found the
casting awkward compared to more compact lures and the tendency to tumble in
the air a real nuisance.

Cheerio,

[Brownz (Mobile)]

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Post by paul

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have
come to the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out
there.

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the
oldies are most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it
catches more than the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all
night and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near
40 years ago though.<VBG>
Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.

The ondex are still top here for jacks & perch.
For larger pike I have a rough piece of balsa, painted flouro yellow
which never fails.
I've also been successful with wasp spinners as I call them - see
http://www.sovereignsuperbaits.co.uk/Lures/Hard_Baits/Spinners_Spoons_/Spinner_Baits/spinner_baits.html

Many thanks for that Brownz.
These do work or they would not still be on the market but how do
they work. To daft old me they seem alien but I can see how they
would look like a small shoal of fish maybe so the pike will just
lung forward and hit it all, including the hook.
Is that the idea behind it.

As you jerk them through the water you get the usual spinner effect, the
tail pulses and expands and contracts as well - looking a bit like a jelly
fish swimming if you know what I mean.

Being a single hook they really suit my local piking spot as its snaggy and
there are a lot of large boulders on the bed which these lures just skip
over..

Being fairly light it helps to have a dedicated / quite whippy pike rod
rather than using a carp rod as many do.

[Gandalf]

I see, though we do not have many jelly fish in the UK.(;-) I can see why it
would provoke a response from a pike though.

My son wanted a duel purpose carp rod but I managed to get one with a fairly
springy action even though it is 2.75lb test curve. It should be fine for
the medium and larger lures but basic spinners will be no good. I use a
telescopic spinning rod with a TC of about 1.75lbs which has proven fine for
most lures but was crap when I used it to ledger, no other rod with me at
the time, and had a 3 lb tench as there was no feeling in the fight.

Had to change venue for my Sunday trip to a much larger sheet of water which
is known for big pike so whilst finding them may prove interesting but the
chances of larger fish could prove worth it. My normal lake only allows one
rod per angler but the new venue allows two so I will have the pike rod out
with a dead bait whilst I search the water with a feeder me thinks. The lake
we are going to is actually one of the lakes I used to fish as a lad so it
is a trip down memory lane although I have fished it once last year and
caught some nice roach.

Thanks for the info.
--
Gandalf

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Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have
come to the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out
there.

In a phrase Gandalf old man,
"your good to go".
Yoiu dont need to spend on these new fangled contraptions, the
oldies are most often the best, i still have my old spoon and it
catches more than the lads with hundreds of new "failsafe" lures :)

I can not wait to use the old ondex now, I have been looking at all
night and remembering. I stopped when I remembered it was damn near
40 years ago though.<VBG>
Can not wait till Sunday now when I take my son pike fishing.

The ondex are still top here for jacks & perch.
For larger pike I have a rough piece of balsa, painted flouro yellow
which never fails.
I've also been successful with wasp spinners as I call them - see
http://www.sovereignsuperbaits.co.uk/Lures/Hard_Baits/Spinners_Spoons_/Spinner_Baits/spinner_baits.html

Many thanks for that Brownz.
These do work or they would not still be on the market but how do
they work. To daft old me they seem alien but I can see how they
would look like a small shoal of fish maybe so the pike will just
lung forward and hit it all, including the hook.
Is that the idea behind it.

As you jerk them through the water you get the usual spinner effect, the
tail pulses and expands and contracts as well - looking a bit like a jelly
fish swimming if you know what I mean.
Being a single hook they really suit my local piking spot as its snaggy
and there are a lot of large boulders on the bed which these lures just
skip over..
Being fairly light it helps to have a dedicated / quite whippy pike rod
rather than using a carp rod as many do.
--
Cheerz - Brownz
Beta TR34 (Ring ding ding ding pop pop)
http://www.brownz.org/

[Pepperoni]

I prefer a jig and minnow for pike, or with a plastic "twister tail".
Yellow or chartreuse ar my best colors. I used short wire leaders, but
eventually switched to Spiderwire® without the leader. My best catches are
with live 5-8 inch chubs on a small treble beneath a float. I fish the
jig/small minnow for crappie or crickets on a light wire hook (ul under a
quill float) for bull bluegills on the second rod while still fishing.

Plugs are usually reserved for big water trolling , and pike/muskie become
incidental catch with salmon, trout, walleye and striper hybrids making up
most of the catch. We use huge lures on the Great Lakes, with 6 inch or
larger heavy spoons or the largest Rapala type lures being preferred.

Picture found on the www:
http://tinyurl.com/2m77ul


Pepperoni

Post by Gandalf
Oh well I did take a look into the murky world of lures and have come to
the conclusion that there are loads of very odd items out there.
Gone are the days when I single jointed plug was as complicated as they
got and we have some real wire contraptions that I had only seen used by
big guys in ten gallon hats chewing gum so please tell me what works and
what is out there to catch the angler. The young man offered me one that I
would not even use off of Key West let alone a British lake, it was that
big
The only new type I saw that made sense was the soft plastic type and I
bough a chubby shad ( I did mishear him and thought he was offering a fat
prostitute at first ). It looks like a little pike in the main so as my
one and only plug is like a pike and has caught I thought it a good idea.
I also bought an Ondex spinner, a normal looking spinner that is the same
as the one I caught my very first pike on all those years ago, which I
have confidence in.
So what is the best types of lures for an old fashioned simpleton like me
who wants some moderate fun without being stupid.
--
Gandalf

[Derek Moody]

Post by Pepperoni
most of the catch. We use huge lures on the Great Lakes, with 6 inch or
larger heavy spoons or the largest Rapala type lures being preferred.
http://tinyurl.com/2m77ul

Yes, -that's- the size of lure you need.

Cheerio,

[Pepperoni]

Post by Derek Moody

Post by Pepperoni
most of the catch. We use huge lures on the Great Lakes, with 6 inch or
larger heavy spoons or the largest Rapala type lures being preferred.
http://tinyurl.com/2m77ul

Yes, -that's- the size of lure you need.
Cheerio,

It just proves the effectiveness of live bait.

[Gandalf]

I remember a picture of a pike found dead once and it had died because it
had tried to eat another pike that was just a little smaller. I wonder if it
still exists as that was years ago.
--
Gandalf

Post by Derek Moody

Post by Pepperoni
most of the catch. We use huge lures on the Great Lakes, with 6 inch or
larger heavy spoons or the largest Rapala type lures being preferred.
http://tinyurl.com/2m77ul

Yes, -that's- the size of lure you need.
Cheerio,
--
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Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/